QUESTION: Dubious Jefferson quote by U.S. Senator Jim DeMint

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Sen. DeMint wrote an article for RealClearPolitics recently that contained this alleged quote from Thomas Jefferson. It sounds plausible but the language seems unnatural for Jefferson. Perhaps it is paraphrased but I'd like to know for sure.

Since the dawn of our nation, Americans have resisted government control over their daily lives. Unlike Europeans who have mortgaged their futures in the name of nationalized health care, we have an innate distrust of big government schemes. We have seen time and time again that the greatness of our nation comes from its people, not from the government. Perhaps most importantly, we understand, as Thomas Jefferson understood, that "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Jefferson went on to explain that "the course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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jim miller

A good place to check is the University of Virginia's Electronic Text Center page: Thomas Jefferson on Politics and Government. These quoted passages don't show up readily - either in their site search, or in the Table of Contents of the quotes.

The most dedicated researcher may even want to plow through more Jefferson sites, maybe starting with Google's directory, or the Library of Congress American Memory

As noted in the comment titled "Gerald Ford," a basic web search on key phrases from the quote shows that this has been widely (though unreliably) attributed to Thomas Jefferson. A useful tip-off that this is questionable, besides the sound of the language, is that none of the Jefferson attributions cite a source. This is an example of what has been called the "echo effect" of the web (though it is certainly not new to this medium), whereby faulty information gets repeated , especially when it suits an ideological purpose, without fact-checking. Eventually you have dozens of websites, filling the first several pages of search results, repeating baseless information.

The Gerald Ford attribution, on the other hand, didn't appear until maybe the fourth page of results, but does provide a specific source for the quote. Final verfication entails checking the text of Ford's speech in The Congressional Record for August 12, 1974, or in Public Papers of the Presidents: Gerald Ford. Both could be found using the WorldCat record just linked to, or by finding a Federal Depository Library near you.

The quote appears on page eight of Public Papers of the Presidents: Gerald R. Ford, 1974:

Whether we like it or not, the American wage earner and the American Housewife are a lot better economists that most economists care to admit. They know that a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.

Note that Ford does not say "as Thomas Jefferson said" or anything like that. It would require some archival digging to uncover which speechwriter came up with the sentence, but it was not Jefferson.

So again, this question provides a great example of why we should not trust something just because it is widely repeated.

Gerald Ford

Widely attributed to Jefferson, I could find no source citation. It seems actually to have been Gerald Ford in an Address to Congress 12 Aug 74, according to Simpson's Quotations. But I'd like to see the text from the Congressional Record before saying for sure.
Good catch, LD50!

Hi, Jim

I recognize your name! You have answered my quote questions before, and thank you. I am very familiar with that website. Clearly Jefferson made many remarks similar to the last clause, about liberty decreasing, yadda yadda, but that first clause is just not the way Jefferson wrote or spoke. My point is, this is Jim DeMint, a U.S. Senator, claiming Jefferson (appeal to authority) would be opposed to some of the health care proposals made by Democrats today, and using a false quote to do so. Nonsense! This is the same crowd (Norquist, Club For Growth) that claims Jefferson would be opposed to the Estate Tax. We have (had) an estate tax because of Jefferson! I think Jefferson, were he here today, would be in favor of some kind of universal health care, and I know he would tell us to not worry about what he said or thought, but to decide for ourselves.

Citation Confirmed

See page eight of Public Papers of the Presidents: Gerald R. Ford, 1974:

Whether we like it or not, the American wage earner and the American Housewife are a lot better economists that most economists care to admit. They know that a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.

Note that Ford does not say "as Thomas Jefferson said" or anything like that. It would require some archival digging to uncover which speechwriter came up with the sentence, but it was not Jefferson.

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